God vs. Satan in Tron Legacy 2010: A Review of Christian and Religious Symbolism in the Tron Movie

I think it’s possible to accuse me of sometimes seeing too much religious/biblical symbolism in contemporary movies: but in the case of the new Tron Legacy movie (2010),  any Sunday-schooler can see that religious themes have been blatantly incorporated: a programmer creates an artificial world that gets away from him, his creations rebel against him, his son will need to come and save everybody – obviously there are some Christian parallels here. The fun part will be to explore how far the similarities go, how to interpret each character, and of course ridicule a few things that don’t make any sense.

Technology savant Kevin Flynn (Jeff Bridges) built ‘the grid’; an online computer system, that he could actually enter into. But because he couldn’t be there all the time, he created a ruler in his own image, named “Clue”, and told him to help him build “the perfect system”. But then a miracle occurred. While Flynn was playing around, trying to build perfection, a new life form spontaneously developed all by itself.

You created them?

No. they manifested. The conditions were right and they came into being.

They were called “Isotopes”. Clue saw the Isotopes as an imperfection, so he stages a rebellion against Flynn, and keeps him from returning through the portal to the real world, which can only be opened from the outside. Flynn fought at first, but realized “He fed on my resistance. The more I fought, the more powerful he became”. So he spends his time meditating and waiting. Flynn is protecting two things: Quorra, the last isotope, the fruition of all his work (Olivia Wilde) and his “Disk” – the master key to everything.

There is also the figure of “Tron” himself; unfortunately we don’t get to know a lot about him. He is Flynn’s early creation from another program, a powerful fighter, but he joins Clue in the rebellion the “tyrrany of the users”.

Upon this scene comes Sam Flynn (Garrett Hedlund), Kevin’s now grown-up son; after a mysterious pager text is sent out Sam accidentally finds a way into the grid. Later, we discover that it was Clue who somehow lured Sam in:

Who got you here? Clue got you here. He wanted a new piece to change the game. With you he got more than he ever dreamed. It’s his game now, the only way to win is not to play.

So let’s start some theological deconstruction. Kevin of course represents God, and Clue is Satan. So far, the rebellion of God’s greatest creation (Satan was highest of God’s angels) during the miraculous birth of God’s new creatures (Isotopes=humans) is a precise fit. Satan’s rebellion was never an attempt, as is commonly believed, to overthrow God or become more powerful. Satan’s rebellion occurred when God ordered him to worship a lower life form – humanity. The Tron version of this event makes more sense than the biblical one. If humanity was an “accident”, a miracle, it is understandable why God would love and want to protect them so much (as opposed to Satan, his other creation, which he damns forever). I also like how Tron exonerates Clue: Flynn built him to make the perfect system; as a created being, he’s doing exactly what he’s programmed to do.

I did everything. Everything you ever asked. I executed the plan. I created the perfect system.

In Tron, Flynn owns up to his responsibility and apologizes to Clue. “No no, he’s made. I screwed it up.” Why is this not the case with God and Satan? Satan cannot help to do exactly as he did: angels were never given free will! Satan’s rebellion was inevitable, and – unless God is a cold-hearted deliberate asshole – it was caused by a lack of foresight: a mistake.

So then comes Sam – the “Son of the User”; Sam is Jesus. But this opens up a whole bunch of questions about Jesus’ role. Did Jesus come to earth because Satan tricked him somehow? We could argue that God and Satan were stuck in a perpetual battle, a stand-off. Jesus recognized this and decided to come into the world freely, changing the game. He is aided by rebels like Zeus (an old program, which then betrays him) and a hot robot girl (“Jem” – Beau Garrett). Why or how these programs can resist is unclear, as is what they were designed for, apart from chilling in a club and looking sexy.

Clue is doing exactly what he was made to do – destroy imperfection. He massacred the isotopes. God intervened to save the last one, Quorra. “Just when everything was going dark, the creator, your father, he saved me.” Clue can’t create programs; he can only destroy or repurpose them. This is still fitting with the Christian epic: Satan is intent on destroying or tempting humans. In a Nazi-esque speech, Clue preaches “we have rid it (the Grid) of its imperfections, not to mention rid it of the false deity who sought to enslave us. Unlike our selfish creator, I will make their world open and available to all of us.”

There is a battle and a race to the portal. Flynn/God sacrifices himself to save Quorra and Sam. Satan/Clue says “You knew I’d beat you. And still, you did all this? For him?” And so, Sam/Jesus descended into the world to save humanity; God’s greatest-but-accidental work. When they’ve escaped, God/Flynn takes all things into himself in the “Great Resolution”; the whole world, including God, gets erased; but the Son and the saved humans are somewhere else, somewhere more real.

This goes a little behind typical Christian theology and is more similar to the Stoic “Great Conflaguration” and eastern mysticism. Someday, the world will end and all will become one; but those who have united with the Logos/Son of God, who descends into the world, will be saved, and be given new bodies. This, then, is the basic religious symbolism behind Tron Legacy 2010.

But there are a few more points of interest: While Quorra is giving the background story on the destruction of the Isotopes, they show a picture of a great tower being destroyed. But think carefully – did Satan, in the Bible or anywhere else – ever really kill, massacre or attack humanity? NO. Who knocked down the Tower of Babel? God. Who caused the Flood? God. Who Tormented the Egyptians and massacred the people inhabiting Israel in order to make room for his superior, chosen race? God. There is a deep injustice in failing to recognize that if God exists, he is in control and hence responsible for our suffering; and that this is explicitly stated over and over in the Bible. We also learn from Tron that God is scared, imperfect, unsure of what to do, slow to move but quick to anger. Flynn spends his time pretending to meditate but then gets angry and shouts at his son, in one of the few terrible lines of the movie “You’re messsing with my zen thing man.” Sam is the one of action, who actually saves everybody.

Is Tron a Christian movie? Well – no. Not exactly. Although most people will be mostly aware of these motifs from their familiarity with Christianity, you could find these basic symbols in many other cosmologies. Clue seems more like the Gnostic “Demiurge” perhaps than Satan; and the story of the Logos coming down to save the Sophia/wisdom in humanity is also more Gnostic, although it is available (but hidden) in regular Christian theology. And by making the creator responsible for evil, it is morally superior and far more satisfying than the Christian mythos, which blames everything on Satan and absolves God from responsibility.

Finally, who the hell is Tron? He’s an early program, that joins the rebellion against Flynn – but at the last moment, he changes his mind and decides to fight for Flynn, “Tron fights for the users.” WTF? Programs can’t change their minds arbitrarily, or learn and grow as we would expect from the Isotopes. He doesn’t seem to fit in the biblical reading of the Tron Legacy movie. Maybe I’m missing something, but I just can’t seem to place Tron anywhere. Any thoughts?

Update:

A more heretical commentary by Baron and a cool picture:

“With Tron Legacy, Disney abandons its Christian roots, its Biblical tales such as Moses and Snow White and the Seven Dwarves. Instead it preaches a new atheist message for new generation of unbaptised console playing bastards. That message is that God is dead, there is no Satan. These are mere figures of classic literature. And that future threats can come only from Man himself, with the reveal of the young Ed Dillenger… the likely antagonist of the next film.”

55 Comments
  • scnada2010
    December 27, 2010

    Nice post! I just came back from viewing this film and I also saw religious parallels. In terms of your questions about the Tron character, he did not join the rebellion he was reprogrammed to join the rebellion; If you think back to the beginning of the movie Tron was fighting Clue and it originally seemed as if Clue killed him. However Clue actually repurposed Tron to be his right hand in the rebellion;I interpreted this as tempting him or possibly even as possession. However, upon seeing his creator Flynn, Tron is reminded of who he is really is and his true purpose; this is when he says “I fight for users” and attempts to fight Clue. So I don’t think Tron is making decisions, maybe he just was not programmed correctly or maybe there is supposed to be more to the power of good vs. evil. Anyways, later Tron gets knocked into the water by Clue and we see that as he sinks his color changes from Red to White. I immediately interpreted this as a baptism of sorts so that he is rid of his possession or his new programming as a rebel and goes back to being his true self probably determined to fight for what is right. However at this point Tron sinks into the water. (Possibly an indication that there will be a second film with this character.)

    Another interesting point was regarding the character Zeus. It was mentioned that he was one of the original programs and had been around since the beginning. It was his job to keep track of all the numbers and percentages as well as know everything. Zeus also had a circular symbol in the middle of his head, which I interpreted as an all seeing eye, or third eye. Quite befitting for a character who knows all, almost omnipotent, this is why Quorra referred the son to Zeus and knew Zeus would be able to help him.

    One final point is regarding the setting. The portal was positioned almost to appear like the ‘North Star’. Everything at the end was destroyed but the basic setting; the water that Tron sank into was still there, thus if Tron did not drown he survived the blast and either way his body did not get destroyed; maybe he will be resurrected for another film 🙂 Cheers! Feel free to mail me with any comments: [email protected]

    • Anonymous
      December 27, 2010

      Thanks for your comments! The baptism interpretation is especially interesting. What I meant about Tron is I can’t fit him into a Christian/biblical legacy…he’s not Satan, Jesus or God, and he’s not humanity… so what is he? Some demon or demigod that gets tempted by Satan to rebel, but then later redeems himself? Is he Adam – the original/archetypal man? Is he Paul – attacking the Christians but having a sudden mystical revelatory experience? Unlike the other characters, I don’t think Tron has a clear and easy fit, so he’s anomalous.

      • Jordan
        December 31, 2010

        When you can, the fallen angel I mean Gabriel was created my God, and was tempted by Satan. Some similarities are there but not many… Sorry for bad spelling not the greatest with English.

        • Anonymous
          December 31, 2010

          Gabriel is the messenger of God (who announces the birth of Jesus, etc). A better fit would be Michael, the militant leader of God’s field armies. Actually, angels are a lot like “programs” – they aren’t supposed to have free will. The rebellion of Satan and 1/3 of the angels wasn’t really a free choice, but a natural reaction against God’s arbitrary change of heart (in the Bible, Satan would serve the humans who are under him. In Prometheus lost, Satan refuses to follow the as yet unproven leadership of Jesus rather than God, just because he’s God’s son.)

          Hence, given the correct set of circumstances, a program/angel could act contrary to what it is expected to. (Like if your virus protection program suddenly shuts off your computer, trying to stop an infection…)

          • DS
            April 13, 2011

            Was going to post this in response to your main article, but right here seems to fit just as well.

            I’m not exactly sure where you got this whole idea of Satan rebelling due to God’s “arbitrary change of heart”, but Satan rebelled BEFORE man’s creation. Isaiah 14:13 and Ezekiel 28:17 show us that Satan’s fall being due to pride. Satan is the father of sin and lies out of something of himself apart from God (John 8:44).

            This site may be of much help: http://mcdonaldroad.org/bible/study/lucifer.htm

            You’d do well not to make any claims which fall outside the Bible.

            Just sayin’…

          • Derek Murphy
            April 13, 2011

            Thanks – I have that idea based on Milton’s Paradise Lost; and yes it is unique to Milton. However, the Bible offers no indication, whatsoever, of why Satan fell. If he fell due to Pride, God put the pride there knowing it would lead to his ruin. Angels can’t change or grow. Satan is Father or Sin and Lies outside of God? How is that possible? Isn’t God all things? Isn’t God omnipotent and omniscient? How does something get outside – unless it has been allowed to Fall? I counter either God made a mistake and tossed Satan aside as defective, or God deliberately set up Satan to fall so that he could use his as a scapegoat for all future things. “I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things” (Isaiah 45:7). Either God is in total control, and must be blamed, or he is not, and we are all Manichaeists (like Zoroastrianism, probably entered Christianity with St. Augustine).

            I don’t allow that “Pride” is a good enough character motivation for Satan. Speaking from the standpoint of literary theory, he is a flat character and as the critical piece for the entire foundation of Christian theology, it is important to figure out this act (his fall, the ‘creation of evil’) more than any other. Instead it is flippantly excused as “well he’s evil”.

    • Baron
      January 7, 2011

      Nice call with the Tron baptism! Also with the reprogramming of Tron by CLU. I knew that CLU (Satan) had persuaded Tron (an angel) to join the rebellion against God as per Milton, but it never really sat right with me about programs changing their mind… not a bit deal, happy to let the small stuff slide. But anyway, thanks for reminding me about the line “CLU can only destroy or reprogram(?)”. So it all fits. Satan persuaded the angels complies with Milton. And CLU reprogrammed the proframs complied with the Tron universe.

      I have much love for this movie.

  • smythy
    December 28, 2010

    hope you meant “Great Conflagration” and not conflagUration…

    ????

    • Anonymous
      December 29, 2010

      Ah – is that what I said? Yes, I meant “Destruction by Fire” rather than “Tough to comprehend. A disorganized mess.”

      • New Jersey
        November 24, 2011

        Derek
        Are you in Athiest? or do you believe Satan is our Savior?

  • Noni
    December 28, 2010

    Flynn didn’t actually build the Grid. It does not actually say who created the original system, but it was a joint creation by many programmers, and possibly unified by the MCP in Tron. Flynn basically reprogrammed it.

    Tron was actually created by Alan Bradley, not Kevin Flynn. He was designed to be a watchdog program and that included the Master Control Program. I think the programs are capable of resistance if their objective is threatened or they do not go against their programming. Tron was supposed to protect the system from invaders for the users; CLU was also created by the users, so when Tron was repurposed, he wasn’t necessarily going against his programming.

    CLU was also a program in the original movie who was erased by Sark for not giving up information about Flynn when he hacked into the system. CLU in Tron: Legacy was actually CLU v.2.

    The ISOs where called Isomorphic Algorithms, not Isotopes. .iso is a type of archiving format. It was explained to me back before they were common as a “ghost of an image.” I had a rather hard time with them in the movie, but maybe the next movie will go more in depth.

    • Anonymous
      December 29, 2010

      Thanks for your comments. I thought it was isos, but changed it after finding the alternate on a movie review site. Didn’t it seem that there was a deliberate “God” and “Humanity” theme going on in the movie version?

      • DS
        April 13, 2011

        Funny…I never really saw any religious significance being conveyed through Tron Legacy. I happened to stumble upon this page when I googled “tron movie allusions” as I was looking for parallels between the original movie and this sequel.

        • Derek Murphy
          April 13, 2011

          Thanks for your comments – it’s just an interesting hobby of mine. I try not to stretch it too thin but most new plot engines, especially in fantasy, are based on the Bible somehow (good and evil, sacrifice, etc). That’s because the Bible is also based on great epic literature, like the Greek tragedy plays.

          • Flip0409
            October 4, 2011

            Umm good and evil was around long before a bunch of old guys put that book called the bible was put together…. so what did your comment mean or do you really think that all the stories of good and evil before the bible was invented were also talking about it… dont get me wrong there is alot of philosophical messages in the movie and i picked them up as well but that doesnt mean christian you only see that bc thats what you want to see.

  • Jordan
    December 31, 2010

    Okay I have only skimmed through this post and onl know a little about the Christian story kind’a thing but could Tron be Gabriel the fallen angel?
    Proberly not but just throwing in a sugestion…

    • DS
      April 13, 2011

      Where does it say that the angel Gabriel is fallen? (He is only mentioned in the Bible in the books of Daniel and Luke, and never does it say that he is fallen)

  • Dewald Abrie
    December 31, 2010

    I haven’t seen the movie yet, but I do know Christian doctrine, so there are a few things I’d like to clarify.

    Firstly, Satan was not created in God’s image to rule over the world (like Clue was created by Flynn). MAN was created in God’s image to rule over the world, and was given authority and dominion to do so. Lucifer was one of God’s foremost angels sent to serve man on earth. Note that he wasn’t ordered to “worship a lower life form – humanity”. Throughout the Bible, anybody who tried worshiping angels were clearly told not to. Only God accepted worship.

    Secondly, according to the Bible, man was specifically created in the image of God and given dominion over the earth and the creatures. Man was not a unforeseen manifestation, but a deliberate creation.

    Thirdly, concerning the claim that God (instead of Satan) is responsible for much injustice in history (tower of Babel, flood, wars, etc), I think one should remember what the cause of all this is. It seems like tron tries to introduce some Biblical narrative (like the tower of Babel) without accurately representing the Genesis. In the beginning it was God’s image bearer and authoritative representative (man) who was deceived by Satan to yield his authority to Satan. So Satan failed in his responsibility to serve man, and instead deceived them to usurp their authority over the earth. Man fell to the temptation of knowing right from wrong independently of God, and has ever since tried to define his own morality, contrary to God’s moral standards. And Satan has been very involved in perverting man’s sense of morality through lies and deception. The Bible makes it clear that it was in response to grave immorality of man that God wiped out nations, caused floods, etc. And not just did he judge immoral nations by Israel, but Israel itself bore judgment for their own grave immorality at the hands of the Assyrians and Babylonians. This is justice. I believe that if God did not enforce justice at key points in history, we would have wiped each other off this face of the planet long ago already. God has actually preserved us by “purging the evil” from among us while he brought about salvation through Jesus Christ. Now instead of having to purge our evil by killing us, he forgives us and redeems by giving us opportunity to be “born again” through faith in Jesus Christ.

    Fourthly, the Bible reveals that God is one in essence, but three persons. God the Father and God the Son has been in perfect unity for eternity. God did not create the world apart from his Son, but through his Son (Eph. 3, Col. 1) and for his Son. It is then also through the Son whom he created the world, that he saved the world. It was the Son (not the Father) who was sent by the Father to die for the world, who overcame sin and death, and who was raised in victory.

    So I think it is dangerous to draw conclusions about God’s character from a movie that has obvious Christian symbolism, but does not accurately portray the gospel story. God is loving and gracious and could have squashed us like bugs after WE rebelled, but instead he chose to pour out himself to save us.

    • Anonymous
      January 2, 2011

      Thanks – yes of course it is dangerous to “draw conclusions about God’s character” from a movie. As for “loving and gracious” – no he didn’t choose to pour out himself to save us. First he kicked us out of Eden and made life more difficult (punishment). He was worried we’d take eternal life for ourselves so he deliberately hid the tree of life from us and guarded Eden with flaming swords. Then, throughout the Old Testament, God harshly punishes all of mankind’s transactions. He kills almost everybody in the flood. He personally terrifies his prophets (was it Elijah or Jeremiah that God made eat dung sandwiches?) He massacres Israelite for idolatry, again and again, either by his own priests or by foreign armies. Only much, much later, does Jesus come along and change the game. To claim that this was always the end game plan includes a forced and disillusioned reading of the Old Testament.

      As for your main argument – you seem to claim that A) Mankind was given rule over the world, not Satan but B) It was Satan’s fault anyway that they fell (So Satan failed in his responsibility to serve man). As for “Worship” – you’re right, I should have used “recognized”. And I’ll admit I have the plot of Paradise Lost in my mind much more than the few paltry references of the Bible concerning Satan’s Fall, and I should point this out.

      Mainly, I was using the *differences* between the Tron movie and the Christian doctrine to point out what I perceive as flaws in Christianity.

      • Baron
        January 7, 2011

        Nice one. Now bookmarking your site, lol.

        Yeah the God of the Bible is a strange cat. I loved Jeff Bridges performances, it was very moving for a CGI film with the loss of his time with his son Sam and his realisation of his mistakes in what calamity he had set in motion. I also liked the humour, and (relevant to your post) his sudden flashes of anger at his son Sam (Adam/Humanity).

        People shouldn’t read too much into perfect mirrors of the Bible or Paradise Lost, but it was obviously heavy influence and it made for a surprisingly rich and beautiful film beneath a Disney movie about throwing electronic frisbees about. Cheers.

        • Derek Murphy
          January 7, 2011

          Thanks – hope to don’t mind I added a bit of your writing (and the picture you linked to) into this post. Good stuff.

      • Sdfvgewrgewr
        April 13, 2011

        It’s not dangerous to draw conclusions about God or the Bible from a movie, it’s downright stupid. The Bible, the WORD OF GOD, was finished around 2000 years before this movie. To try to make inferences in this way is just about the most idiotic thing I’ve ever heard of and I won’t be wasting any more time on this site.

        • Derek Murphy
          April 13, 2011

          I gotta say I’m not sad to see you go. To argue that there is no comparison between Tron and the Bible is infantile. Clearly they share many parallels – as does much of most Western plots, heavily influenced as they are by biblical tradition. Ah, but I see you mean I shouldn’t be drawing conclusions about God or the Bible FROM the movie. And you might be right. But I would counter that you shouldn’t draw Conclusion about God or the Bible based on the Christian theology you believe in, which was formulated centuries after the Bible came together, is not supported by anything actually in the Bible, and that you would do well to learn the actual history of these sacred texts. The truth is that the Bible is a cultural porridge of spiritual literature, and was mostly used for entertainment (much like the modern Cinema). Tron and the Bible are EXACTLY the same; the difference is what they are saying about our own beliefs.

      • New Jersey
        November 24, 2011

        Actually if we had imperfect forever lasting life think of all the destruction we humans would do to each other, not to mention shortage of women God knew exactly what he was doing after early humans were pushing Thousand plus.  If God was so evil he would of not made the mistake of only wiping out (ALMOST) 90% of humans and leaving the remaining 10% to re-populate I don’t think God was like oh snap I left 10% of humans left oh well i’m not perfect im sure they will kill each.  Listen even if you put me around a ugly woman for long enough with no other scent of a women around for 1000s of miles we are going to just have to have some ugly babies.  I think God is intelligent enough to know when he needs to destroy to rebuild.  The only reason he allows you to slander who his character is and still live to share your POV with US is proof that he is a merciful God. 

        Other than that I really enjoyed your blog and all your points.  I am glad I am not the only who took this away from the Awesome movie I will probaly never forget.

  • Mrborohachi86
    December 31, 2010

    Like Noni said Tron was a program creted by Alan Bradley, that’s why in the Original Tron he has to connect to his user in the real world Alan Bradley, When Alan explains Tron to his boss at Encom again to support Noni and to quote Wiki “”Tron,” which would monitor communications between the MCP and the outside world. ” Tron is a security program to that would flag programs not doing what they were programed to do.

    Flynn says to Clu that he was the old him when he thought that there could be perfection in a program

    • Anonymous
      January 2, 2011

      Right – thanks for this info. I’ll admit I wasn’t familiar with Tron before seeing the movie.

      I like the idea of a God who realizes that the perfection he seeks to impose is impossible and that humanity (isos) are just perfect the way they are (this is not the Christian God, but I think it should be.)

  • kandle
    January 2, 2011

    Love this…but have a different interpretation. Quorra does not seem to me to represent humanity. She was a miracle, she just happened. Kevin didn’t create her, (but God did create man)… She is something other than a program and she is NOT human…I think she represents The Holy Spirit. She holds all the answers to the questions of the universe. Although Kevin protected her, she later protects him and Sam. Their relationship is more equal than we think. Kevin then “gives” her to Sam to take back with him. The image of the three of them together in the spaceship would suggest the trinity…

    However, I don’t think Sam represents Jesus…I think he represents all of humanity. The son of God is Jesus, but God is also “the father” of all mankind. It would make sense from that standpoint that Sam-Kevin’s son- could be either Jesus or mankind. But, Jesus doesn’t remain behind on earth…Sam does. He is the only one that makes it back through the portal-to this side. Sam is the most obviously human character, and the one, in the end, that Kevin would give it all up for, the one he protects and the one he wants to save (with the help of the Holy Spirit and Jesus)…Saving him (saving mankind) is really what the movie is all about. In the end, Sam makes it back through the portal… And…he remains here with The Holy Spirit!

    Tron may have been created, but he seems to then take on a more human form, as he has free will. He is capable of both good and evil and can make decisions on his own. He is tempted by evil but in the end is truly good. He may have been a program, but he ends up being very human. Most importantly, he fights for the users, and eventually GIVES HIS LIFE for them. I think he is Jesus!

    • Anonymous
      January 2, 2011

      Thanks for your interesting ideas! But didn’t Tron stay behind? He gets destroyed – and you’re right the sacrifice theme fits better – but no resurrection? As for the world, it depends if the real world is inside the grid or outside: I think the world is in the grid and “heaven” or the eternal is outside, through the portal.

      Quorra as the Holy Spirit could fit though. Except that she’s deviously sexual and flirtatious. I don’t think it’s possible to fit the parallels to closely, I just wanted to try.
      Actually, Sam goes back to the real world and “becomes” his father (is ready to take over the authority of running the company) so a Horus/Osiris set fits better.

      • Baron
        January 7, 2011

        Huh? No ,wait-
        Okay, let’s go back… Remember, this is more Paradise Lost than the Holy Bible.

        Quorra isn’t the Holy Spirit. She (and the ISOs) are humanity. The aren’t created by Flynn/God (see Charles Darwin) and are flawed, vulnerable, unique. Quorra isn’t “sexual and flirtatious”, stop projecting manwhore. She’s innocent. Like Eve. Everything fascinates her, she wants to meet Jules Verne, she wants to see the world outside of the Grid/Heaven. I only picked up on a second viewing how religious Quorra is, when during the holocaust of the ISOs it was God’s hand that saved her and gave her strength. I really liked the deft line the movie took; humanity was the product of evolution but that they can still turn to God for support. You can’t appease both sides in a religious debate but I thought this was nicely handled.

        CLU is Satan, Flynn/God’s opposite. CLU like Milton’s Satan is persuasive and the deceiver (it was his fake message that lured Sam), CLU persuades the other angels, namely Tron, to join with him in the rebellion against God.

        Ah, look… here I wrote it out elsewhere.

        http://www.chud.com/27015/sam-strange-remembers-tron-2/comment-page-1/#comment-121688

        Overall this was a flawed movie, but I loved what it tried to do; plus I loooooved the soundtrack. Incidentally you are one of the few reviewers to pick up on the religious themes which give it its charm, so congrats. 🙂

        • Baron
          January 7, 2011

          Sorry for pointing out stuff you already knew, Derek. Too much skim reading :p

          Will read future articles more carefully. 😉

          • Derek Murphy
            January 7, 2011

            I’m going to stick with flirtatious. She gives Sam a long, lingering up and down look at the first meeting and does that half smirk, sidewise glance up thing that girls do when they’re trying to be flirtatious. It doesn’t come naturally, it’s not innocent, it’s a learned female charm to hook guys. Eve was not innocent either in Paradise Lost. She’s human, attracted to her own image and pissed off at being created inferior to man, and is already getting antsy when Satan shows up.

            I also had to wonder (back to the movie) – just she and God living altogether and no funny business? But then he’s happy when Sam gets a piece? Yes, we could say that they’re just attracted to “Humanity” and its charms, but then why not go for a real plain-jane innocent character, rather than a sexy/cool character?

            I prefer the movie’s line on Creation also.
            Also for Satan in Paradise Lost – I’m writing a book arguing that he never “lures”; he has solid and justifiable reasons for his rebellion, is used like a dirty sock by God, and is seeking justice in anyway possible.

            PS) Yes I’m a manwhore. I’ll work on that.

            Thanks for your comments Baron, and nice blog post.

          • Baron
            January 8, 2011

            Thanks 🙂 And thanks for putting up my image.

            I’d love to read such a book, but I haven’t finished Paradise Lost yet. Agree about sympathetic character.

            Sorry, when I said Quorra was innocent, I meant innocent and curious, like the grown child she is – Eve. Flynn is her surrogate father and too zen to have such impure thoughts; he’s obviously a proud father to see Sam and Quorra connect. But sure, there should be curiosity and interest when Eve meets her Adam, it’s only natural human behaviour (non fundamental religious). It would fit Biblically if Eve was a seductress, but less face it… Sam would be in Leviticus trouble if he wasn’t attracted to Quorra. Eve and women in general get a harsh rap by the Bible’s male authors, dismissing her as a tart is cheap. Anyway, maybe you’re right; I just didn’t detect it tis all.

            If they made her too sexy it was only to fit the movie, which was, visually at least, the sexiest thing in cinemna. Oh God, can I be undressed by some sirens pls? The movie was so beautiful and so was Quorra. And most importantly of all, how good did Bruce Boxleitner look? I’ve always loved Bruce, good to see he didn’t perish on Zha’ha’dum.

    • Baron
      January 3, 2011

      uhh… You are half right. Yes Quorra represents humanity. But Disney (and the film) was saying that humanity sprung up INDEPENDENTLY of God. Which is how humans did. Even though, like Quorra, they can worship God during difficult times.

      God isn’t real. He’s just a story (the fact that slavery is condoned in the 10th commandment should have made that clear that He was man made.) But Tron Legacy was also a story, and pretty decent. Not perfect, but ambitious themes.

      • Baron
        January 3, 2011

        Incidentally, Tron siding with Satan/CLU was appropriate as it was a war in Heaven against God. Satan persuaded Tron to side with him. True, it doesn’t fit the Tron universe well as yes, they are programs. But it fits the Biblical / Paradise Lost theme perfectly… and very beautifully too. I love this movie.

        P.S. God isn’t real. Please read the Bible and this should become evident. ie. Psalm 137. Cheers, filmbuffs. 🙂

      • Anonymous
        January 4, 2011

        I don’t disagree with you. I talk a lot about God on this website, but I’m mostly talking about the idea/character of him, like I would talk about Harry Potter. And I don’t like the 10 commandments. I created my own recently.

  • Ruben_ostos
    January 3, 2011

    i hear you bro

  • Consider the Following
    January 4, 2011

    I don’t mean to be rude, but have you read the bible? Do you know anything about the old testament covenant and the new testament covenant (purging of sins by sacrificing animals, then purging of sins by accepting Jesus Christ)? Your argument has a great deal of flaws which, I assume, is due to lack of research.

    There are a lot of allusions to Christianity in Tron, but it doesn’t mean they are accurate, and a lot of the time they aren’t. Also, consider that there are allusions to Buddhism throughout as well.

    I also ask that you consider your sources of information. Have you come up with your argument against Christianity based on the Catholic bible? The Jewish bible? The New International Version bible? Hearsay? If you were directly quoting your research from your sources, I would accredit you more.

    • Anonymous
      January 4, 2011

      Hearsay, 100%. Total, unqualified hearsay. This is because I’m not strongly trying to prove that Tron is exactly the same as Christianity. That would be stupid. This is a casual blog post about some of the interesting comparisons and symbolism that can be seen. No, I didn’t care enough to pull out my 1998 New Jerusalem Bible and quote scripture. “Proving” myself in a blog post like this one by quoting from my research sources would idiotic. As for what I know – I’m working on my PHD in Literary Theory and have a degree in theology. Unfortunately my understanding of the bible and the covenant is devoid of faith so I don’t think we’ll ever see eye to eye on what it all means. That’s ok with me. If you’re looking for a heavily cited, strongly academic, well-referenced piece of writing, you need to check out my book – which I’m giving away for free on this website to subscribers. Thanks for commenting.

  • Cliff
    January 5, 2011

    1. Why in the world of cinema would you necessitate the paradigm that God and Christianity should be defined by a movie made by the imagination of His creation?
    2. Where did the idea that Satan rebelled because he refused to worship humanity? We “were made a little higher than the angels”, but only God is to be worshipped.

    • Derek Murphy
      January 6, 2011

      1) I don’t see how people are taking this post so seriously. Am I adamant that all of Christianity is only true is as much as it reflects the eternal, perfect core values of TRON? Of course not – but people seem to assume that’s what I mean. It’s just a silly movie, with some stupid lines, which has a few points of convergence with Christianity – which makes it an interesting tool to lift the curtain of Christian belief a little. Could everything I wrote be total nonsense? Sure, why not.

      2. Where did you get the idea that “we were made a little higher than the angels?” I’d love a biblical citation for that, it’s a new idea for me. And yes, my perverse understanding of Satan is from Milton’s Paradise Lost, which I am partial to because I believe it offers a much more realistic and authentic portrayal of biblical characters than Christian tradition does. The “plot” motivating Christianity – 1. The fall of Satan 2. The fall of man 3. The need for Jesus – is flat and uninspiring unless we can root out the motivations of the characters. WHY did Satan rebel? Because he was stupid? Because he was evil? Who made him that way – he was born that way? Nonsense; Satan is a created being with no free will. How did he get to be the scapegoat/badguy of this story. Satan’s tale is a marginalized history that deserves a second look.

  • Getburnetts
    January 9, 2011

    Angels in fact do have free will as a third of them followed Satan in his fall, as well as when they ‘looked upon the daughters of men and seeing their beauty took them for themselves’.
    And though Clu/Satan was created in Flynn/God’s image, he still had freewill and chooses his own way, as noted in the movie and Bible.
    Also the master disk given Sam/Jesus parallels ‘all things have been put in My (Jesus) hands’.

    • Derek Murphy
      January 9, 2011

      Thanks for your comments and insight.
      I’m not sure if “angels” can be so easily equated to those “sons of God” of Gen. 6.2. And the question of who has or hasn’t free will, what free will is, etc, is way too big to get into. Yes the Bible makes it look like Satan chooses; but the Bible is God’s history. If Satan were to write a history, it would probably say “God left me with no choice/it was the only thing I could do/I didn’t choose to be who I am”. Do any of us truly have free will?

      • Blue-Rose
        April 3, 2011

        I don’t know if anyone answered this one yet but the character Tron the way I see him is a stand in for the ArchAngel Michael. The idea that Michael was God’s champion and defender while Clu was the symbol for Lucifer. to me it’s an alternate history of what if Michael had lost and God was forced to run. His best warrior is taken down and forced to fight for the bad guys. In this case Tron’s original programming was to fight for the users but he was reprogrammed after being beaten. Kinda like a brain-washing effect. Once he saw his original master Kevin Flynn his memorys came back and he remembered his true purpose which was to “Fight for the users”

  • Nessie0067
    January 11, 2011

    This is so funny, throughout the whole movie, me and my friends concluded the same thing!

  • Alisahopewagner
    January 17, 2011

    Maybe the character Tron represents the fight of good vs. evil in all of us. Who are we yoked to? However, I do have a different perspective of Isotopes. I don’t think they are humans because the Bible says we were “created,” but God does grant us free-will, so I like to think of Quorra as the creative license we are given. We are created in God’s image. We are born to create. Adam was allowed to give everything living thing its name; therefore, he created out of the elements that were already present. Humans create Isotopes that can glorify God’s established creation — a creation of the creation.

  • Dimitris
    March 26, 2011

    I agree with Noni about Tron but I also think, as I see it, that Tron is a shorter name of the Archangel Metatron, an Angel name mostly found in Talmoud. I will not analyze what are Metatron’s/Tron’s characteristics but you can find it easily in wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metatron.

    Also there is another good site that refers to Archangel Metatron and what his intesions are for humanity in the times before the end of the days. The times that humanity will have to “repent” in relegion words or theologicaly to “evolve” as mental beings. In the book of Enoch that prophecies the end of days Metatron is the Angel that helps human souls and guide them to salvation. This is a good site that refers to this but it is in Greek. If anyone needs help for translation I can help. http://www.aametatroninourlives.com/aametatron.htm.

    Don’t forget that for some researchers we are close to these days… So maybe Hollywood didn’t gave accidently the name of this Archangel to a movie like this. If you think that the character that has this name appears only in the end of the second Tron movie it is a very wierd… Sorry if my english are bad 😉

  • Eric
    April 9, 2011

    Thanks for the very interesting post. Like any work of art that attempts to be more than mere entertainment, the brains behind Tron: Legacy, borrowed thoroughly from Christian/Biblical archetypes — likely preferring to see them as Jungian rather than referencing any absolutes truth as revealed by the Classical Observer who made made, sustains, entered and redeemed our four-dimensional quantum world. That can be seen in the way they tweak the archetypes (think The Matrix) injecting their own gnostic/dualistic/Buddhist ideas anywhere they see fit. In this, TL because more a treatise on syncretism than orthodox Christianity. Still, there is much that does echo the historical/redemptive narrative of Scripture (Ecc. 3:11; Romans 1:20; 2:14-16) which is what made the movie for me fairly compelling. (It would have been more so were it not for the gnostic buzz-kills – with ”You’re messsing with my zen thing man” being the chief offender.)

    Did anyone notice the book that Jarvis pulled from Flynn/the Creator’s bookshelf? Looked to me like a Bible (a small print edition so that it didn’t have the same heft of those by Tolstoy and Dostoevsky (two writers who operated within a distinctly Christian worldview) and Nietzsche (very much anti-Christian)) but a Bible nonetheless. It obviously had no impact on him — with his last words being “Death to the users” — but that either can fit into the Christian ethos (the scriptures will either break or harden you) or into the syncretist model (the Bible is just one “holy book” of many.)

    Thanks again. And feel free to respond.

    Eric at [email protected]

    • Derek Murphy
      April 9, 2011

      Thanks Eric, sorry it took so long to respond. I appreciate your comments. Yes, I hated that line too; I always can’t stand when his acting shifts back to the “the big lebowski” no matter what movies he’s in.

  • Flip0409
    October 4, 2011

    Umm Disney ,the man, was a pagon look a little closer at the earlier movies as well and you will see pagon symbols all over the place so i dont know what you mean when you try to put disney and its christian roots. For all of you lost by this go back and watch the little mermaid if you still dont see slap yourself. Funny how things arnt always what they seem huh?

  • cameron/ me jesus
    March 12, 2013

    You have it right. And what flyn was making was heaven. For people in his world to go to. But he needed help to create heaven. So he
    Made tron. Who is angel micheal. Tron dosnt know the difference between flynn and clue. God But much like flynn , saw mankind appear. How native americans believe in the creator. The devil clue perefectio. Dosnt like maki.d wknt worship it. Flynn will because it is an answer to all his questions. As if mankind isos native are gods flyn.s real image. So clue is furious. Being perfect like a computer lack of forginess though unproperly made by his image of the creator a man. Clue locks up flynn you can say in a death. Sam flynn comes as reborned out of the real world hense the spirit world slash heaven to the system. But sam is like flynn god his father loves mankind is image of mankind and is more perfect than clue because he can do what clue can do an actually achieve using his father to guide him through the system hypothetically I. Spirit like the bible. So jesus sam is his second try to redeem mankind its like god getting rid of perfection for manki.d but sam can do wgat flynn can make it perfect the better of the two is sam the forgiver and the perfectir jesus so tro. Is micheal realizi.g oh fuck I’m seeing doubles he had to meet sam to understand what has happend and get healed by jesus sam a little mankind in him now. Because adolph hitler clue is. Ad who resembles perfection is actually not so good afterall o.ly sam jesus knows how the vistor from the blue comes down to help

  • cameron
    March 13, 2013

    Aww

  • AJ
    April 24, 2013

    Unfortunately, you are almost wrong in many accounts. First, it’s isomorphic algorithms, not isotopes. Isotopes are variations of chemical elements. It’s Clu, not Clue. Tron was infected by Clu, but regained his conscience near the end of movie. If you are to be a writer or something thereof, please do NOT put a “WTF?!” in your writing so informally. Plus, you should re-watch the movie, because a lot of your plot arguments are not correct.

  • PhoenixLOVE
    December 2, 2013

    I have issues with both Tron and your statement about Satan and God.

    Firstly, Flynn never really “created” anything. The internet is just space. This space was always there, we just had no way of utilizing it until computers were created. When we created computers this allowed us to use this space to send and receive information but the original space (and whatever may or may not have been in it) was not transformed. The information we

    see on the computer, as well as the web and all it’s functions, are made up of tiny light particles. The difference between light and we humans is that light has less matter, the basic structure is totally different than a humans’ is. That being said no program that we create in real life (outside of a movie I mean) could really ever take on a human form to exist in this space as a human does. With that being said, what Tron the series really insinuates (at least in the first one) is that because we humans have a soul when we create anything we pass a tiny spark of that soul onto what we create thus bringing it to “life” in some form or another. This is a VERY Buddhist concept and the Buddhist take on the world is found all throughout the Tron series. That being said, Flynn didn’t create the programs at all, God did, while working through us. Just like God can be attributed to creating the “space” that has always been in the computer/web.

    So let me get onto my rant about Kevin Flynn. Had he been a good man with good intentions he would have understood all I said above. Instead Flynn was a narcissist and having found these poor program-like peoples who really knew nothing and were ignorant, Flynn decided he would be God. So what did Flynn do as God? Did he introduce the concept of religion and democracy? No. Did he explain that programs are living beings and therefor should be able to choose and have free will? No. Did he introduce medicines and literature and art that could possibly help the programs? No. So what did Flynn do? Well he proclaimed himself God and then took upon himself the right to rule this Grid of his. Then he proceeded to use the programs to further his own goals in what he called “the real world”. And what were Flynn’s goals in “the real world?” They were of course to build more video games, which buy the way, innocent programs had to fight in without any real reward accept that they were fighting for the “almighty Flynn” (that’s right people, programs don’t get paid for doing their functions, nor do the get to choose what their functions are, which basically makes them salves). And what did Flynn do with those video games? Build up his company so he could become super rich. In the process of all this of course is the fact that by kissing Yori, Flynn introduced sex to the program world(I am 100% sure this is really where the ISOS came from, not to mention the grid bugs, computer STDS anybody?) which would place Flynn vaguely in the postition of the snake from the Garden Of Eden. This adds up when Flynn, being the selfish a-hole that he is, eventually meets a woman and father’s a child with her, then begins to abandon the programming world simply because they are no longer priority one in his life. I can’t stress how selfish this was considering the programs have been totally co-dependent on him as a slave nation and have no real idea of how to continue running this new version of the Grid without him. Forget the fact That alone should show the viewer that Kevin Flynn’s character is NOT God. It’s a lowsey Disney trick that they tried to mix up God with evil and selfishness together as the same being. Disney plays mind games with the religious viewer by splitting Flynn apart into the Kevin/Clue combo. By making these two separate images of the same character we are led to believe that one is the good and one is the bad and therefore Clue should be blamed and not Flynn. WRONG! There is only one character if you pay attention closely and that is Kevin Flynn. That being said, Sam is not the Jesus character at all but rather simply the son of a false and selfish dictator. He is the son of the false ruler who comes into power given to him by his father, the previous false ruler. I say false ruler because remember, the Flynns are human beings, they are not God or Gods and they did not really create anything. Even Tron himself is not really a Jesus character, though he also is presented as one. Tron fights this Clue character(who is really Flynn) and dies so that Sam can become ruler. This trinity of Kevin/Clue/Sam is less the Christian trinity of Father/Son/Holy Ghost and more the old Roman/Greek pagan trinity of how Uranus was over thrown by his son Kronos who was then killed by his own son Jupiter/Zeus. Uranus would be the MCP from the first Tron, Kevin is Kronos who overthrows Uranus and then Sam would be Jupiter/Zeus who then overthrows his father. This plot line is obscured because Disney has mind tricked the viewer into believing that Kevin and Clue are not the same but two separate characters. There are vague similarities between the Greek/Roman trinity and the Christian trinity but they are far from the same. The Greek/Roman trinity is based on a fascist government type where one only advances in the ranks by overthrowing one’s predecessor. The Christian trinity is about a God who loved his people so much he gave up his only son to save them from their own mistakes. Also note that in the original Catholic trinity all three forms, father/son/holy ghost, were the same being (at least until Protestantism came along) while in the Greek/Roman trinity they were family but not the same being. So these two trinities, which Disney is trying to pass off as the same in Tron, are in fact not the same at all. In fact, saying that these two trinities are the same would be like saying that fascism and slavery is the same as compassion and self sacrifice. We all know that’s not true (and if you don’t then you need to get therapy now!) If anyone had a close relationship to God in Tron it MIGHT have been Alan Bradley and that’s a big might. In Gnosticism, a religion that was born out of Christianity, but is actually not a form of Christianity itself, there was a saint by the name of Mettatron who was called “the scribe of God”. But this ignores the fact that Tron the program created by Alan Bradley actually gives his life so that the users, the false gods, can continue to reign over the Grid. Tron does not die so that the programs of the Grid can be free of sin but rather he dies so that Sam can continue his evil father’s legacy. This is another Disney mind trick played out in Legacy. No matter that Tron was spread out in the form of the cross when he died he was still not a candidate for Jesus.

    The whole of Tron was about a new realm of the world, with a new people in it, which were enslaved and forced into war and eventually revolution by the same human family who had no write to rule them and who pretended to be Gods.

    Okay, now about your comment as to why God did not embrace Satan in the Bible and about how angels have no free will. I will start off by saying that angels absolutely have free will. They can sin and do all the things that normal humans can. They are not slaves nor did the lord ever treat them as such. Lucifer chose to tempt Eve with the apple and to try to overthrow God because he was jealous that God had given humanity the right to rule themselves and earth. Lucifer felt he was perfect and deserved such an honor. If you read the Bible correctly it also shows how God was greatly distraught over the events of Lucifer becoming Satan and Adam and Eve eating the fruit. It is insinuated heavily that it’s not that God does not forgive Satan, it’s that Satan refuses to change his ways and continues to manipulate humanity in order to gain control over earth. If God were to let him into heaven again Satan would just try to take over again and souls/lives would be lost. So it is entirely by the CHOICE of Satan that his fate is sealed, not just once but over and over again. We notice how things are cyclical here on earth, that before we can ever advance towards a more peaceful society that a great darkness always comes to suppress us once again. Here the Christian mind sees Satan making the same choice over again and so sealing is fate in hell over again.

    • Mark Howard
      Derek Murphy
      December 9, 2013

      Thanks for the especially long comment. I don’t disagree with your view of Flynn as an asshole; I’m merely raising the idea that if the analogy holds, God would also be an asshole by implication. As for angels having free will – your beliefs are very modern. Angels haven’t had free will until more recent Christian communities (in America) decided to give it to them. In Paradise Lost (my go-to text, but admittedly preserving a very different and earlier Christian doctrine) angels don’t have free will. “Heavily insinuated?!” Not in the Bible by a longshot. Contemporary Christian ideology (again in America) holds this view. The Bible makes not the tiniest insinuation that Satan would have been forgiven (you can find it in Paradise Lost – but the argument is weak). On second thought, you can probably find something in the Bible too, because it’s a huge text and there’s a lot of words in there, but I’m going to leave that effort to you in case you feel like taking up the task (I don’t… too busy).

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